Muay Thai Expert Lies About UK
In an attack on Marc McDonald of BeggarsCanBeChoosers, Sebastian Sassi resorts to a number of lies about UK gun violence:
The point you’re missing isn’t that England has a low murder rate. We’re not disagreeing. What we’re pointing out is that they had a low murder rate EVEN BEFORE they had strict gun control laws.
I’m surprised you’re trying to argue that England’s low murder rate is gun law related–as anyone with two fucking brain cells would also realize that you’d have to establish that they had a higher murder rate before the gun control laws came along. Unfortunately…that’s not the case, and thus all your ranting is for naught. England actually has seen gun crime go UP and not down since they confiscated all the legally registered handguns. The murder rate in the UK has always been minimal (which is a cultural phenomena, not a legal one), and was so well before they went around the bend on gun control.
No wonder you don’t allow comments on your blog; having people eviscerate your arguments is embarrassing, isn’t it?
So many lies here, it’s hard to gather them all.
Lie #1: “What we’re pointing out is that they had a low murder rate EVEN BEFORE they had strict gun control laws. ”
Nope. Sebastian is propagating the fiction that gun control in the UK began in 1997. In reality, gun control began in 1903 in the UK; there have been a number of minor and major gun control initiatives since then. In reality, the 1997 gun control laws affected fewer than 50,000 weapons.
Regardless, Tim Lambert has done the heavy lifting here and one can see the homicide rates in the second half of the nineteenth century were higher than today.
Lie #2: “England actually has seen gun crime go UP and not down since they confiscated all the legally registered handguns. ”
Again, untrue. According to the Home Office-Crime in England and Wales 2005/2006, violent crime in the UK has decreased 43% since 1995. Other crime such as burglary and vehicle crime has decreased 59% and 60%, respectively, in the same period.
The rest is merely Sebastian’s typical bluster and ad hominems.
Geeze, even your own cites don’t support your arguments. As Lambert points out, the decline in homicide rates in the UK were already on a downward trend when gun control was introduced. What’s more, since their gun control laws have been stiffened, homicide rates have been on the INCREASE.
Your second objection is pure bunk; I mentioned GUN CRIME, which you’re not quoting stats for. Gun crime has gone up since the handgun confiscation–nobody disputes that.
Comment by Sebastian-PGP — December 10, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
On a side note…you do realize that something like three quarters of your posts in the last month have revolved around me?
Pretty pathetic, isn’t it? I hate to spoil your homoerotic fantasies, Guy, but I’m afraid I’m straight. No lovin for you. At least not from me.
Comment by Sebastian-PGP — December 10, 2007 @ 9:23 pm
re:
>>I hate to spoil your homoerotic
>>fantasies, Guy, but I’m afraid I’m
>>straight.
Well, since you’re the one who introduced the issue of sex into the debate, I’d like to point out something.
Sigmund Freud would have a thing or two to say about you gun worshippers. And it’d have to do with how your beloved guns are actually compensating for something else (if you get my drift).
Marc McDonald
http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com
Comment by Marc McDonald — December 10, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
Actually, I’m glad you brought that up. Lots of Freud scholars have suggested that fear of weapons is a sign of sexual and emotional retardation.
In any event, who cares what he said? I love it when hoplophobes like you start down that road. If you wanna argue that gun owners (all 80mil of us) are compensating for something…what exactly is it that the female members of the gun owning community are compensating for? Are they a bunch of macho shitheads too?
Or is your cowardice and inability to take responsibility for yourself something that YOU are compensating for, and thus the resentment filling your heart causes you to resent and hate people like me who can take care of themselves without being wards of the state? Hmmm?
Comment by Sebastian-PGP — December 10, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
Actually, Freud did mention guns as a substitute for phallic inferiority. BTW, it should be pointed out Sebastian’s claim “Lots of Freud scholars have suggested that fear of weapons is a sign of sexual and emotional retardation.” is actually false.
Comment by Administrator — December 10, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
If you’re all going to make wild assumptions and statements about the UK, why not do it at a blog that actually keeps up with their news … like mine?
Comment by Michael Hawkins — December 11, 2007 @ 9:34 am