Comments on: Evolution of an Argument with a GunLoon (Part IV) http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/ Always Correct, It's A Gift Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:39:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: NRAfourever http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-943 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:39:42 +0000 http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-943 And if only ALL the Jesis worshipers in the church had had a GUN, they could of shot him full of led as soon as they saw him pull his gun--and then a shootout could of hapened, and this is how Religious disputs gets SOLVED. GO GUNS GO! And if only ALL the Jesis worshipers in the church had had a GUN, they could of shot him full of led as soon as they saw him pull his gun–and then a shootout could of hapened, and this is how Religious disputs gets SOLVED.

GO GUNS GO!

]]> by: Michael Hawkins http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-939 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:54:21 +0000 http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-939 I'Ve got an anecdote for you: It involves a church with 7000 innocent people, a deranged gunman and a woman called assam who stopped him. <b> </b> How's that for a verifyable anecdote? I’Ve got an anecdote for you:
It involves a church with 7000 innocent people, a deranged gunman and a woman called assam who stopped him.

How’s that for a verifyable anecdote?

]]> by: JayF http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-938 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:54:10 +0000 http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-938 They can prove it? Sometimes -- but if you follow such things carefully, you find that some of their stories have turned out to be bogus. And the ones that are true? Who said THIS: "And, a couple of anecdotes may well be true. But, in the end, anecdotes are just that–anecdotes. They aren’t evidence or proof of some greater truth." Damned by your own words. They can prove it? Sometimes — but if you follow such things carefully, you find that some of their stories have turned out to be bogus.

And the ones that are true? Who said THIS:

“And, a couple of anecdotes may well be true. But, in the end, anecdotes are just that–anecdotes. They aren’t evidence or proof of some greater truth.”

Damned by your own words.

]]> by: Administrator http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-937 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:24:26 +0000 http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-937 JayF: You seem to be confused by the difference between evidence and anecdote. As you note, a speaker at an anti-gun rally may indeed "tell how they or relatives were “touched by gun violence.”" ..... The difference, of course, is that they can prove it. Sadly, there is usually a dead body or a wounding that is verifiable. All GunLoon anecdotes involve a story that nobody can verify. JayF: You seem to be confused by the difference between evidence and anecdote. As you note, a speaker at an anti-gun rally may indeed “tell how they or relatives were “touched by gun violence.””
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The difference, of course, is that they can prove it. Sadly, there is usually a dead body or a wounding that is verifiable. All GunLoon anecdotes involve a story that nobody can verify.

]]> by: JayF http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-936 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:13:18 +0000 http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-936 When anti-gunowner advocates hold a public rally, there are usually some speakers who tell how they or relatives were "touched by gun violence." Oops -- those are just "anecdotes" with no "evidence or proof of some greater truth." Now that this blog has set them straight, I'm sure that they will stop. When anti-gunowner advocates hold a public rally, there are usually some speakers who tell how they or relatives were “touched by gun violence.” Oops — those are just “anecdotes” with no “evidence or proof of some greater truth.”

Now that this blog has set them straight, I’m sure that they will stop.

]]> by: Administrator http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-935 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:05:34 +0000 http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-935 Here's why it isn't true. First, if a middle school pulls a gun--or even something that sort of resembles a gun--it's going to trigger a massive police and community response. That didn't happen. Here’s why it isn’t true.

First, if a middle school pulls a gun–or even something that sort of resembles a gun–it’s going to trigger a massive police and community response.

That didn’t happen.

]]> by: Jay http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-934 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:55:49 +0000 http://leftrudder.blogsome.com/2007/12/13/evolution-of-an-argument-with-a-gunloon-part-iv/#comment-934 It is indeed true, Jade. Whether or not you believe it, I could care less. .... And no, the lesson is not that kids who are 11,12,or 13 should be "packing heat". The lesson is that having the means to defend yourself from an armed attacker is better than being forced to just sit there and take it, and wonder if today will be the last day that you get to draw breath. The lesson is, that when confronted by a violent attacker, individuals should have the right and ability to meet that attacker with an equal amount of force. Being armed, whether it be with a gun, knife, club or sharp stick, allows for that individual to more closely match the ability given to the attacker by his/her own weapon. ... That being said, this is the last comment I'll be leaving on your blog. It's been fun, but given the lack of civilized discussion and overwhelming amount of childish name-calling and pointless insults, it's no longer worth my time. It is indeed true, Jade. Whether or not you believe it, I could care less.

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And no, the lesson is not that kids who are 11,12,or 13 should be “packing heat”. The lesson is that having the means to defend yourself from an armed attacker is better than being forced to just sit there and take it, and wonder if today will be the last day that you get to draw breath. The lesson is, that when confronted by a violent attacker, individuals should have the right and ability to meet that attacker with an equal amount of force. Being armed, whether it be with a gun, knife, club or sharp stick, allows for that individual to more closely match the ability given to the attacker by his/her own weapon.

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That being said, this is the last comment I’ll be leaving on your blog. It’s been fun, but given the lack of civilized discussion and overwhelming amount of childish name-calling and pointless insults, it’s no longer worth my time.

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